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	<title>Comments on: Vonage Reminds Us Why Permission&#8217;s Not Optional</title>
	<link>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm</link>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-12173</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-12173</guid>
		<description>Re: &#34;If you have an account with many banks, you have to OPT-OUT. They are using the opt-out method which is clearly a violation in many of our business ventures.&#34;

I'm not sure what you think that is a violation of; if you have an account with a bank, you are their customer, and that is enough permission for them legally to email you (at least in the US). 

I find it odd that someone would trust a bank enough to give them the info a bank needs to open an account, but not want the bank to email them.

If it's a physical bank, I'm not sure why you'd even need to give them an email address in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &quot;If you have an account with many banks, you have to OPT-OUT. They are using the opt-out method which is clearly a violation in many of our business ventures.&quot;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you think that is a violation of; if you have an account with a bank, you are their customer, and that is enough permission for them legally to email you (at least in the US). </p>
<p>I find it odd that someone would trust a bank enough to give them the info a bank needs to open an account, but not want the bank to email them.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s a physical bank, I&#8217;m not sure why you&#8217;d even need to give them an email address in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Premick</title>
		<link>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11968</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Premick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11968</guid>
		<description>Martin,

That's true. When you encourage your subscribers to forward your message, you may want to remind them to clear the remove link so that doesn't happen :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true. When you encourage your subscribers to forward your message, you may want to remind them to clear the remove link so that doesn&#8217;t happen <img src='http://www.aweber.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lee Abraham Club</title>
		<link>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11967</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Lee Abraham Club</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11967</guid>
		<description>One potential problem about people forwarding your emails is that the receipent might click on the unsubscribe link! Then you lose the original subscriber. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One potential problem about people forwarding your emails is that the receipent might click on the unsubscribe link! Then you lose the original subscriber. lol</p>
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		<title>By: Di</title>
		<link>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11845</link>
		<dc:creator>Di</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11845</guid>
		<description>TAF forms are illegal in some EU countries. I often get offers if I fill in a TAF form - I simply ignore as I don't want my French/Italian ISP to ban me.

I can't even suggest that my newsletters are forwarded on - they were not requested and so are deemed SPAM.

This has far deeper implications considering that we are dealing with a world-wide system where even Sates in the US have differing rules to the rest of the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAF forms are illegal in some EU countries. I often get offers if I fill in a TAF form - I simply ignore as I don&#8217;t want my French/Italian ISP to ban me.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t even suggest that my newsletters are forwarded on - they were not requested and so are deemed SPAM.</p>
<p>This has far deeper implications considering that we are dealing with a world-wide system where even Sates in the US have differing rules to the rest of the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11842</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11842</guid>
		<description>I have never used a TAF form and won't out of respect for Aweber's policy.

But to clarify, is Aweber accusing the New York Times, CNN, The Wall Street Journal and every other news organization in the world of spam given that they all have 'send this article to a friend' functionality on their sites???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never used a TAF form and won&#8217;t out of respect for Aweber&#8217;s policy.</p>
<p>But to clarify, is Aweber accusing the New York Times, CNN, The Wall Street Journal and every other news organization in the world of spam given that they all have &#8217;send this article to a friend&#8217; functionality on their sites???</p>
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		<title>By: Marcel</title>
		<link>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11840</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11840</guid>
		<description>Hi Justin,

thanks for bringing up this idea:

&#34;What I recommend to people is this: rather than using a tell-a-friend form, put a call-to-action in your email messages that encourages people to forward those messages to someone they know who would benefit. Combine that with a section that tells people who may have been forwarded the message how they can sign up.&#34;

This has been a great idea of yours. We could add such sentence at the footer of each mailout, encouraging happy subscribers to tell their friends the most natural, no-spam way imaginable. Thanks for that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Justin,</p>
<p>thanks for bringing up this idea:</p>
<p>&quot;What I recommend to people is this: rather than using a tell-a-friend form, put a call-to-action in your email messages that encourages people to forward those messages to someone they know who would benefit. Combine that with a section that tells people who may have been forwarded the message how they can sign up.&quot;</p>
<p>This has been a great idea of yours. We could add such sentence at the footer of each mailout, encouraging happy subscribers to tell their friends the most natural, no-spam way imaginable. Thanks for that!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Premick</title>
		<link>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11839</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Premick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11839</guid>
		<description>Cody,

I like the idea of someone sending a personal note rather than filling out a Tell-a-Friend form; however, I see two issues with the implementation you're suggesting:

&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;Offering a bonus in exchange for someone else's email address is going to end up in people sticking in addresses just to get the bonus. This ups the spam risk that's already inherent to TAF.&lt;/li&gt;

&lt;li&gt;The CAPTCHA doesn't change the fact that the person receiving the message didn't request it. So they're getting a piece of unsolicited bulk email, sent from your website, which has an AWeber opt-in form on it. Complaints against those messages would be against you and us.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;

What I recommend to people is this: rather than using a tell-a-friend form, put a call-to-action in your email messages that encourages people to forward those messages to someone they know who would benefit. Combine that with a section that tells people who may have been forwarded the message how they can sign up.

&#160;&#160;&lt;a href="http://www.aweber.com/faq/questions/267/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.aweber.com/faq/questions/267/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cody,</p>
<p>I like the idea of someone sending a personal note rather than filling out a Tell-a-Friend form; however, I see two issues with the implementation you&#8217;re suggesting:</p>
<ol>
<li>Offering a bonus in exchange for someone else&#8217;s email address is going to end up in people sticking in addresses just to get the bonus. This ups the spam risk that&#8217;s already inherent to TAF.</li>
<li>The CAPTCHA doesn&#8217;t change the fact that the person receiving the message didn&#8217;t request it. So they&#8217;re getting a piece of unsolicited bulk email, sent from your website, which has an AWeber opt-in form on it. Complaints against those messages would be against you and us.</li>
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<p>What I recommend to people is this: rather than using a tell-a-friend form, put a call-to-action in your email messages that encourages people to forward those messages to someone they know who would benefit. Combine that with a section that tells people who may have been forwarded the message how they can sign up.</p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="http://www.aweber.com/faq/questions/267/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aweber.com/faq/questions/267/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lee Abraham Club</title>
		<link>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11837</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Lee Abraham Club</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11837</guid>
		<description>I have also used such scripts previously but after I found out that Aweber does not allow their usage, I have stopped using. 

I think if your site is valuable and can create a buzz, people will refer others to you with or without a form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have also used such scripts previously but after I found out that Aweber does not allow their usage, I have stopped using. </p>
<p>I think if your site is valuable and can create a buzz, people will refer others to you with or without a form.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody Goodman</title>
		<link>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11835</link>
		<dc:creator>Cody Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11835</guid>
		<description>There's a simple solution to all of this... redirect opt in's to a tell a friend page (that has captcha!) and offer them a bonus... they enter their name.. a personal note.. and recommend the url of your squeeze page to the person.. making EVERY subscriber opt in... 

I don't see anything spammy with that.. do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a simple solution to all of this&#8230; redirect opt in&#8217;s to a tell a friend page (that has captcha!) and offer them a bonus&#8230; they enter their name.. a personal note.. and recommend the url of your squeeze page to the person.. making EVERY subscriber opt in&#8230; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see anything spammy with that.. do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Vonage Email Marketing Disaster &#124; Abraham Club</title>
		<link>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11834</link>
		<dc:creator>Vonage Email Marketing Disaster &#124; Abraham Club</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.aweber.com/blog/email-deliverability/vonage-reminds-us-why-permissions-not-optional.htm#comment-11834</guid>
		<description>[...] A couple of days ago, I was reading a post on my email autoresponder provider Aweber about an email marketing campaign by Vonage that went awfully wrong. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] A couple of days ago, I was reading a post on my email autoresponder provider Aweber about an email marketing campaign by Vonage that went awfully wrong. [&#8230;]</p>
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